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How feasible would it be for me to get an RC Heli to do some aerial shots? I've never flown a RC heli or plane before, so this would be my first one.

Welcome to the base of the learning cliff! My first advice would be to get a good RC Heli simulator before you take another step. The simulator will save you thousands of dollars in replacement parts that you would damage while learning to fly a real model.

I would suggest that as a minimum, you buy a heli at least the size of an Align Trex. Stay away from the ready-to-fly micros, as nothing from them will be usable as you upgrade. Budget-wise, this aspect of the hobby is not cheap. Be prepared to spend upwards of $500 for the bare minimum, but probably more realistically $1000 if buying a radio worth keeping and components which are not scraping the barrel in terms of quality. Many heli addicts have learned the hard way that the expression "buy once buy right" is true. Buying a cheap version of anything tends to cost more in the long run, as you finish up replacing it with what you should have gotten in the first place.

Learning to fly a heli is a challenge in itself, so aerial photography is going to be on the back burner for quite a while. Go through the past pages in the helicopter forums and read read read! You are not the first one to come along and ask this question. Go get some education by reading the other questions and answers on this forum and then you will be able to ask knowledgeable questions, and will better understand the answers after you get a little background on the subject. There is a document that assists with the learning phase:- "Electric Helicopter Beginners Guide" by Toshi Morita (you can find it on RCGroups) also, read Radd's School (find it with Google). The information in these files will help a lot. Download all of Finless's instruction videos. Even if you don't buy a Trex, the videos will give you a solid understanding of how model helicopters go together and how to set them up. Enjoy the journey!

Can I make a profit with my AP hobby?

We know several people who have made money in AP. If you form a business, all the equipment is tax deduct able as a business expense. The key to making money is good marketing. Commercial construction and real estate companies are more likely to use AP than home real estate agents. A person we know went door to door in a shopping mall with his portfolio, mentioning that would be doing AP in the area and got several hundred dollars of work in a few hours. You should enjoy doing AP, rather than thinking of it as an income source. Successful people are those who enjoy doing AP. They frequently make enough to pay for the hobby and bit more. Several forums have had threads dealing with AP business practices. Here's one that is very informative.

How can I limit my liability when doing commercial AP work?

You should research local law and methods of limiting liability on your own. Many in the AP business have formed either an LLC or a Corporation to limit liability. Since we are not lawers, you should not rely on our comments to be correct. You should consult with a qualified attorney to be sure you have taken all the steps need to best limit the potential for a law suit. Remember that even though you have incorporated, you could still be sued individually if it was suspected that your negligance caused injury or damage. The insurance offered by the AMA does not cover commercial AP work. Commercial AP insurance coverage is available through the Remote Control Aerial Photographers Association. The agent is Hill & Usher Insurance.

How much Should I charge for AP work?

Charge a fair amount and don't undersell yourself.  Act professional and be proud of your work. You can do promotions and may be even a sample shoot if the prospect is good with the potential of a return. Use watermarks on the pictures in these cases to be sure they are not used without you getting paid..  Be sure to let the people know that any promotion is for a limited time as well what a full price would be. For good rule of thumb, go by what auto mechanics charge for car repair.  They are about $85-100/hour at a shop in my area.  Studio  Photographers charge even more, so do some research in your area..  Remember you are providing your own equipment as well as taking risks. Include travel time in the job  as well as material cost. If you offer post processing,  include that time as well. You can always give one time discount, but it is hard to raise prices once they are set.  A tank of gas cost 50 dollars or more today.

AP Strut System: How strong are they?

Our AP struts are designed to be strong and light.  The strut will handle at least a 10G force landing as long as the machine is level on ground contact. It will not handle a nose down crash as well, so it is best to keep the helicopter as level as possible, even if you are crashing. That will minimize damages.  Besides that,  All parts are design so that it can be easily replaced or rebuilt. These spare parts are available upon request at a reasonable cost.

Camera Mounts

On all AP systems, we recommend a preflight check for loosened screws or bolts. Even with locktite and locknuts, a preflight inspection is good practice. Any damages should be repaired/replaced as recommended. An emergency strap should also be used if possible. (usually a camera wrist strap zip tied to the frame works well)

The AP series mount uses ball links as part of the gimbals. If these links are stripped or damaged, they should be replaced. The screws are 2-56 (5/16") on all links. There is no need to be concerned with the strength of the hardware as the design has passed my 16 lb bowling ball static load test. I recommend a payload of 250 gm because the elastomer damping is tuned to the load of 250 gm. Presently, I am running a Sony camera that weighs 260 gm plus trip servo and tilt servo. Even so, we recommend using an emergency strap on the camera to heli/SS as secondary precaution. We take pride in the durability and quality of our mount but take no responsibility for damages caused by failure due to crashes and abuse.

Procam  and HDcam series mounts are designed primarily for Helicam applications. They can handle larger  load. The passive oil shock damper may require occasional service after initial setup. In a normal environment, this should be a rare occurrence. If you are running an active gyro system, always check for proper function before flight.

What is a Gimbal

Our camera mount typically designed  as a gimbal. APcam  mount allow 360 degrees of self stabilization based on gravitational forces. Gimbal  allow freedom of movement along the axis so that camera can face several direction.  (as many as 3 axis) With self leveling, undampened gimbal can allow the camera to "over swing". To reduce this over swing, foam rubber dampers are used in Apcam series and oil shock dampers in Procam and HDcam series. In addition to self stabilization, gimbals are designed with vibration  isolation of the camera, resulting in a clearer still image capture. Gimbals can be used in airplane application without issues, but in small helicopter applications, they do have a downside. If a relatively large payload is carried compared to the size of the helicopter, any movement in the heli will be transmitted with reactive force to the camera. This is very apparent during heli flights in windy condition when using the FMA Copilot CPD4 stabilization system. In smaller helicopters, this movement can make a steady hover hard to achieve, and will result in some loss of shots.

Vibration control

In an airplane like the Slow Stick, vibration is a small issue as you can always turn off the power and glide, but with a helicopter this is not possible. To achieve good result, You need to be very thorough when you balance the blades and eliminate vibration.. For some helicopters like the Corona, I highly recommend certain upgrades like the 7 mm shaft kit. All our helicam mounts are designed with a floating camera mount system. The camera mount floats on an elsatomer which helps dampen the vibration. The thickness of elastomer can be increased by the user if more damping is desired. Here is link to a forum discussion that provides a lot of information on a vibration control in a heli. ">link to a forum discussion that provides a lot of information on a number of different video glasses.

Adjusting damping on the gimbal

Change the damping on the 2 axis self leveling gimbals is easily done. Obtain several pieces of 0.75" foam rubber with varying firmness. Replace the original using the trial and error method to determine which piece produces the desired result. Different materials can be mixed on the roll and pitch axis. Lighter loads require softer foam rubber while heavier loads will require firmer foam. The ideal dampening set up does not bounce or over swing while changing the attitude of the platform. I find that it is better to fly with a bit stiffer damping than have it under damped. If using the oil shock damper, refer to the oil shock instruction sheet linked on the Procam page. The amount of damping can be tuned using various valves and weights of oil. Tension can be tightened by using a stronger spring. The trick to adjusting damping, is to fly your vehicle in video mode. Adjust until most of the random swing goes away. It is usually better to have the dampening stiffer rather than too soft.

Recommended equipment

A good brushless motor and ESC is a must for any electric helicopter. The ESC (Engine Speed Control) converts the DC voltage of the battery to three phase AC current to power the motor. The ESC varies the frequency of this AC current to control the speed of the motor to provide variable power output to the motor depending on the demand of changing flight conditions. In a smaller helicopter, most ESC's contain a BEC (Battery Eliminator Circuit) which reduces the main battery voltage to 4.8 volts. This lower voltage is used to power the receiver, gyro and servos and eliminates the need for a separate battery pack. These BEC's have sufficient power for the helicopter servos, but not enough for the additional servo(s) used to control the camera. Larger helicopter ESC's do not even have a BEC due to high voltage they use for the motor, but instead, use a separate battery pack(best, but not handy) to power the receiver, gyro and servos.

When using a camera mount that has servos on a smaller helicopter, it is necessary to use an additional BEC to add increased capacity for the additional electrical load. We recommend using a switching BEC like the UBEC or ParkBEC and a good ESC.

Another option is Kontronik Jazz ESC with a switching BEC. These BECs will make sure that you have plenty of good clean power available for your radio. A good dual conversion receiver or DSP receiver like the Berg is a must in any AP platform. Also, consider getting an FMA Copilot. The Copilot is a flying assist device that can help you keep your platform level without pilot input. It is available as stand alone device or better yet, with the F8 receiver combo, these are great products. The F8 has a fail safe mode which can provide some insurance against a loss of signal.

How do I Trigger the Camera Shutter?

AskmanAP carries the RC Flysoft line of IR and electronic switches that can be used to trigger the camera shutter. Another alternative is the Hexpert Systems PRISM Photography Radio-Infrared Shutter Module which will trigger any IR capable camera with a single radio channel. We have used the Pentax Optio series camera which has an IR (infrared) triggering capability.

How do I Set up a video downlink so I can see what the camera sees?

Video downlinks are a big subject. Several options are available. Blackwidowav.com is best the known, but even cheap Hong Kong video setups that are frequently available on EBay will work.   The best system is 2.4ghz  4 channel or 8 channel transmitter/receiver setup.  There are small button camera/transmitter combos that could be mounted on the gimbal or higher powered transmitter (200 mw or higher) available. The higher power setup requires an amateur radio licence to operate. A good patch antenna will do a lot for range and quality of image returned..  The button camera has a 5 mw power output hence, limited range, but is usable in open area.

The image can be viewed by the pilot or camera operator using video glasses which are also known as HMD"s,  The Ingenio SAS Eyetop Centra is most commonly used. It is a "cyclops" (one eye) type single LCD viewing port that is viewed using one eye glass.  It does have some downside due to poor glass design, but still useful if you are flying
solo (without a separate camera operator).  The cost is  about $350.00  There are also higher end HMD's for one eye viewing.   If you are using another person to operate the camera,  That person can the the full wrap around video glass designed for an ipod or game boy since it is not necessary for the camera person to keep the helicopter in view at all times.   The best known wrap around device is the now discontinued Sony glasstron. These glasses start at about $150.00 and go up from there. Here is link to a forum discussion that provides a lot of information on a number of different video glasses. At some point, the weight penalty becomes prohibitive especially if you are flying a T-Rex. If you are starting with larger helicopter, you have a lot more options as far as weight limitations are concerned.

If I start with a T-Rex as an AP platform, but later plan to upgrade to a larger helicopter, can I select equipment that will allow me to upgrade without having to buy all new electronics?

Yes. A good gyro selection would be the Futaba GY240 or even better. the GY401. These will work on both small and larger helicopters and can be moved easily.  If you plan on moving up to Logo 10/14/swift, a Futaba 9650 servo would be ideal with Castle Creations HV45 ESC. An external BEC or external battery pack is recommend on all helicopters.

I'm thinking of starting AP by using a GWS Slow Stick - Park Flyer airplane. Since this machine has no ailerons, how hard is it to control?

The Slow Stick is a very controllable and stable machine even without ailerons. The key is large control surface movements. The Slow Stick can be used with FMA Copilot connected to the rudder. It is a very good AP platform for low
wind condition.

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You can contact me through Private Messaging on RunRyder, RCgroups or RCuniverse. My handle is Askman at these forums. also, you can contact me at askmanAP@hotmail.com. This is my secondary business, so it may take several hours for me to get back to you. I live in Oregon in good ole USA with wife and two kids.

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